What is really inward and what is outside

[Aonarach Dragan]

Firstly I'd like to say that all for me at least I see physical reality as something to be overcome. A temporal illusion that is seldom lasting. That is not to say it isn't a good illusion. Here is an example to clarify.

Take for instance our planet. To some people our planet is central focus as the center of their universe. In fact we know that the Sun is the center of the solar system. In the solar system that is what is at the core.

Well, if we look at outer space as being a sphere, at least hypothetically, I see a problem with that. Because then where is the center? Our solar system is positioned in a place in outer space. Is it at the center? I am doubtful. But instead my theory is that space in fact is wrapped around the core. Or rather that there are several dimensions, if we say only for the sake of argument, spheres of existence that are next to one another, the have a core and they are contained in the "womb" of creation. Is it the womb or the center of these that is the core? But if it were the womb then why would it be so far away from us? It cannot be. We have always been a part of it, closer than we ever though.

Let me try to clarify a bit.

Sphere A is here (A)
B = (B) ect.

so here is (A)(B)(C)(D) (just stick to 4 to simplify) so then they are arranged in a circle around the core which fuels all of them. They overlap in some places as not to leave gaps. Thus making complete their "circle" so to speak. The core is more or less a battery maybe? (this is all just a thought) so there are the 4 spheres and then the core (^). Then the thing that contains all of things is the "womb" which is then wrapped around the planes of existence. However we are connected to the womb through the core, kind of like a mother to her baby through the umbilical cord. Thus making the womb much closer than we think. We have a direct connection, provided that we try to use it. No matter how it's arranged, it's the same thing. Some of us feel separation from the womb because I think we forget that we are always in it.

The reason I bring this up is because in most other models the Earth (Malkuth, Midgard, etc.) is the center. It is the mundane world (although sacred in it's own right, that is where the material is) and then the outer space and/or astral is around that, then finally the spiritual world and lastly the void. What I am suggesting isn't much different. It would make sense for us to be in the womb still, since this concept still holds up for me. It's just hard for me personally to think of the Earth as the center.

I think instead the earth is part of one plane of existence for which perhaps overlaps closely to another dimension. Rather than being central to the universe it is in. So then would that make focusing on the Earth as the center of creation as a bit narrow? Not that I'm against it. I am just wondering. I love this planet, the animals, people like you folks here, etc. But I think it's time to stop saying that just because a man/woman says that it is a certain way that it is.

I'm rambling now. I think I need to make a diagram. Does anyone know what I am getting at here? I'm trying to find the central point to focus and then also figure out how I feel about our situation within the womb. Reconnection with the Mother is my goal. Ultimately I feel that we have not even been truely born yet. I think we are just infants in her waiting, for the day when we can ascend to something truely great.

I suppose I'm trying to map the road to the Heavens. That sounds crazy I know. But for a long time I have wanted to pass the Ninth Wave. But then firstly I would have to pass the first.

I asked a Buddhist monk once, "how do I overcome the first barrier?" and he said "these hands in front of you, what are they doing?". Then I became aware that I was keeping myself at this level of understanding and consciousness. I suppose I am a bit nervous about what actually happens when a person transcends to live on/in a different plane of existence or in my case one of the otherworlds.

Historically there are tales of this. The virgin Mary ascending to Heaven in her body. (If I remember correctly) Enoch being taken into heaven where God explains how he used the light to penetrate the darkness to make creation (far more descriptive than in the KJV), or even how their are Guardians whom can grant passage, Heimdall, Choronzon, many others. Choronzon being one that many believed was a manifestation of self or a demon which had to be overcome to pass the final Ring-Pass-Not, which essentially lead to the outer reaches of the void. Heimdall guarded the passage through Bifröst, via the rainbow road which lead to Asgard, or the Norse "heaven", more-or-less.

I wanted to take this journey with others. But some people I have talked to said I would have to go it alone. But I know this cannot be true as others want that same thing I do. However I think they may be right in that when I pass through that gate, that I will probably be alone in my personal experience with it. Not meaning that others won't do it too, just that for me it may be different than them. But I think that the value of the experience is the same.

[Aonarach Dragan]

I found an interesting concept.

From wikipedia (which explained it rather simply):

Central Fire or Hearth of the Universe is a fiery celestial body hypothesized by the pre-Socratic philosopher Philolaus to be positioned at the center of the universe, and around which all other celestial objects revolve. It is sometimes called "the house of Zeus" but more frequently "the mother of the gods" or "estia", after the goddess of fire and hearth, Hestia.

Or for the sake of universalism, just simple remove the Gods/Goddess names to fit within ones own belief system.

Also of interest is the idea that if indeed we are lacking in some way then too the whole is lacking. ("As above, so below".)

This is reflected in many writings in various forms. Here is an example from a Kabbalistic view point that I am merely using as an example.

Do not pray for your own needs, for your prayer will not then be accepted. But when you want to pray, do so for the heaviness of the Head. For whatever you lack, the Divine Presence also lacks.

This is because man is a "portion of God from on high." Whatever any part lacks, also exists in the Whole, and the Whole feels the lack of the part, You should therefore pray for the needs of the Whole. (from a disciple of the Kabbalist R. Israel Baal Shem Tov)

[Danu]

I think that all too often we forget that we are forces of energy flowing from All that Is, having individual experiences. All that Is, is exploring and experiencing the ebb and flow of its self through All that Is.
You are All that Is, there for your experience with passing beyond the ninth wave will be by choice done alone or with others having the same experience.
You are creator, you are All that Is, you are a God by nature.
The truth?
You are the center, just as I am.
The center is within you.

[Christopher]

Our own subjective experience is the closest to knowing anything of reality that we may ever come. That being the case, the center of manifestation or existence must be the source of our own consciousness. Reality is "menu-driven" whatever one focuses on is the portal to an infinite path of experience. The path of life is beckoned by the call: "go as far as you can see and you will see further".

[Danu]

Very well said!

[Aonarach Dragan]

Thank you for sharing that. I suppose it is very easy to see things as outside of ourselves, no matter how many times our experiences tell us that they are within.

I really like your perspective on this, it's tried and true.

At least I know there are great people like you guys whom I am sharing similar journeys with.

Thanks. = )